It seems the opponents  the public option are put off by the idea that it is socialized  medicine , and that its bad to be socialized . But we have been  socialized in so many things why not health care. We have  ;     *   Socialized army       *   Socialized  schools       *   Socialized  police       *   Socialized fire  protection       *   Socialized  garbage collection       *   Socialized  parks The purpose of government  is to do collectively what we can not do for   ourselves. In my mind this issue is  clear, people can not provide for their own health care when the rules  are written buy huge insurance and pharmaceutical companies.  It way past the time for the government to do  something.   On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at  9:31 AM, < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it _ (mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )  wrote: Well said Phyllis , this  has been my recent experience as a health care provider. I have working  people ,who know that the are ill who cannot et an appointment with a  health care provider. The current wait times a the two hospital clinic  systems I work with are 7 months for  a medical appointment, and  eight for gyn.Look around your dinner table, think about your   friends and relatives all these folks could land up in the same  spot. Don't forget private insurance will in all probability not  insure anyone with a preexisting condition . On  a lighter note.  We went to a  concert at   West point yesterday and saw  some spectacular fireworks. During the 1812 overture, they  fired real cannon shots! Susie   In a message dated  9/5/2009 7:15:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it _ (mailto This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )  writes: Like Debbie, I haven't  read the proposed health care bill. Wayne and I pay more than we like  for our federal Blue Cross, but we know it's a bargain. We get better  care because the provider knows he/she is definitely going to get  paid. I live in the land of people with low salaries and no insurance.  Yes, some of those people choose to buy the truck or vacation in  Mexico instead of paying for insurance, but many more just can't  afford to pay for insurance on a family income of less than $30,000.
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 Dave , what s a Tesla?  In a message dated 9/14/2009 9:42:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: Chris I like the persistence and enthusiasm with which you have pursued your point of view.  Despite being a clear minority and some vehement opposition. Two points though; 1) You haven't told me how much money their really going to steal or how much this is going to cost. 2) I make under $150k, so their not going to steal my money.  I could get a 90% raise and still not make $150k.  At the point I could be living pretty good and throwing a few bones toward some sick people would give me  a clear conscious while I'mm driving down the road  in my 911 or better yet my new Tesla. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote:  You can disagree or agree but we will see what happens if they come after your pay check and still makes you pay for your own health insurance because you don’t qualify for the public option. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Phyllis Pruett *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:13 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care Great discussion! I'm voting it the best Waldripfest discussion of all time.  Michael and Dave, you make a good team.  I'm with you. Sorry, Chris, I disagree with you. We are all one step away from health insurance nightmares, in spite of paying our premiums on time and for years. Phyllis On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM, David Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Great now your tellinge I need a tube or rubber glove shoved up my but!  Chris you win!   Screw helth care just take me out back and show me the buisness end of a shotgun! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:05 PM, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote:  Yes Stacy Daddy was born in 1900, He served in world War 1 and World War 2. .He was married  once and divorced .His true love Gertrude Coen refused to marry him because he did not have steady work.She worked for Prudential Insurance company and would have had to quit if she married. After WW2 George met Doris and started his family with Georgie (1948 ?) then had six kids (horny goat) and unfortunately died when he was 62 from colon cancer .This is why your older relatives are always having strangers look up their rectums for polyps . In a message dated 9/9/2009 9:45:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: ... I'm pretty sure your father wasn't born in 1900 if you were born in '52 and were one of the older kids. That would mean he fathered Debbie when he was like 60. Most people born in 1900 were dead at 60 On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: What is needed is one pool of people that the rates are _base_d on, not a individual or company _base_s.  This would allow everyone to buy insurance and stop the insurance companies from cherry picking its clients from the very young that do normally have medical issues and socking the old that have pre existing conditions. Remember you don't have a pre existing condition until you do.  If you trip in your driveway and fall and break your leg you have a preexisting condition when you try to change health insurers Why are you complaining about a sticky 900 billion, we spent more the that on the war in Iraq, we spend more then that bailing out sub prime mortgages etc. BTW- we are still paying for the war of 1898 and that war ended 2 years before my father was born. . On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Would deregulating the health insurance companies promote better rates? Allowing the companies to cross state lines without a bunch of bureaucratic crap might break up the local monopoly. A break up of a company known as Ma-Bell helped all of us get cheaper phones and phone calls. Does health care reform need to cost the younger generation 900 billion dollars for the government to help the people get health. On another note, Does everybody think the government isn’t going to have restrictions on their plan? Pre-existing conditions? Sure the government will pick up the tab! Heart disease from eating fast food your whole life, step right up! Lung cancer from smoking your whole life, join the club! I think the government will have more restrictions than any private insurance company. The idea for change will work for the benefit of the people, but I feel we need a better plan. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:12 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care BTW- Old people always have more health problems then young people, that's why people say 'he died of old age  Did you ever hear of someone dieing of young age ? On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Did you eve hear of;    - The FBI, Secret Service, US Marshall Service (police)    - Yellowstone Park, The Statue of Liberty, Grand Canyon ( national    parks)    - University of Virginia, Rutgers University, Penn State  (schools)    - United States Forest Service ( fire fighters)    - The National Nuclear Waste Facility ( garbage)  People in high tax brackets always pay more the the people in the low tax brackets, only 50 % of the people in the USA pay taxes. Any yes I agree that people in high tax category subsidize the people in the low tax catsgory but it's always been this way. That's why I said we need a notional sales tax at the wholesale level to pay for health care so everyone who buys anything has to pay. Are you saying you want a flat rate income tax ? Now that's something we can agree  on. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Maybe the older generation should take better care of themselves. All of the the things you mentioned below except for Army are local _base_d services that are directly affected through local taxes. If I live in Whitehouse Station and pay more taxes should I receive better health care than my relative that pays less taxes that lives and works in Newark? The balance is going to be tough for all. *From:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wiedaseck *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:32 PM *To:* This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it *Subject:* Re: health care Here's the real issue, money, look at how much costs have risen compared to wages. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: It seems the opponents the public option are put off by the idea that it is socialized medicine , and that its bad to be socialized . But we have been socialized in so many things why not health care. We have ;    - Socialized army    - Socialized schools    - Socialized police    - Socialized fire protection    - Socialized garbage collection    - Socialized parks  The purpose of government is to do collectively what we can not do for ourselves. In my mind this issue is clear, people can not provide for their own health care when the rules are written buy huge insurance and pharmaceutical companies. It way past the time for the government to do something. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Well said Phyllis , this has been my recent experience as a health care provider. I have working people ,who know that the are ill who cannot et an appointment with a health care provider. The current wait times a the two hospital clinic systems I work with are 7 months for  a medical appointment, and eight for gyn.Look around your dinner table, think about your  friends and relatives all these folks could land up in the same spot. Don't forget private insurance will in all probability not insure anyone with a preexisting condition . On  a lighter note. We went to a  concert at   West point yesterday and saw some spectacular fireworks. During the 1812 overture, they fired real cannon shots! Susie In a message dated 9/5/2009 7:15:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: Like Debbie, I haven't read the proposed health care bill. Wayne and I pay more than we like for our federal Blue Cross, but we know it's a bargain. We get better care because the provider knows he/she is definitely going to get paid. I live in the land of people with low salaries and no insurance. Yes, some of those people choose to buy the truck or vacation in Mexico instead of paying for insurance, but many more just can't afford to pay for insurance on a family income of less than $30,000. Many self-employed people do buy insurance, but they tell me they can only afford the $5,000 deductible. That means that when I had a colonoscopy done and I had
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It seems the  opponents the public option are put off by the idea that it is  socialized medicine , and that its bad to be   socialized . But we have been  socialized in so many things why not health care. We have  ;     *   Socialized  army       *   Socialized  schools       *   Socialized  police       *   Socialized  fire protection       *   Socialized  garbage collection       *   Socialized  parks The purpose of  government is to do collectively what we can not  do for ourselves. In my mind this issue  is clear, people can not provide for their own health care when the  rules are written buy huge insurance and pharmaceutical   companies. It way past the time for the government to do  something.   On Sun, Sep 6, 2009  at 9:31 AM, < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it _ (mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it )  wrote: Well said Phyllis ,  this has been my recent experience as a health care provider. I have  working people ,who know that the are ill who cannot et an   appointment with a health care provider. The current wait times a  the two hospital clinic systems I work with are 7 months for  a  medical appointment, and eight for gyn.Look around your dinner  table, think about your  friends and relatives all these folks  could land up in the same spot. Don't forget private insurance  will in all probability not insure anyone with a preexisting  condition . On  a lighter  note. We went to a  concert at   West point yesterday  and saw
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automobiles. Cool ride. How much did it set you back. I got  a new   Subaru and gave the old RU to Randy in the tradition of giving my   old heaps to poor nephews. In a message dated 9/15/2009 11:26:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it  writes: What rock have you been living under Only the hottest thing on 4 wheels for under 100k http://www.teslamotors.com/ 0-60 in 3.8 seconds 244 mile range Never needs to stop for gas. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM, < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Dave , what s a Tesla? In a message dated 9/14/2009 9:42:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it  writes: Chris I like the persistence and enthusiasm with which you have   pursued your point of view.  Despite being a clear minority and some   vehement opposition. Two points though; 1) You haven't told me how much money their really going to steal or   how much this is going to cost. 2) I make under $150k, so their not going to steal my money.  I   could get a 90% raise and still not make $150k.  At the point I   could be living pretty good and throwing a few bones toward some   sick people would give me  a clear conscious while I'mm driving down   the road  in my 911 or better yet my new Tesla. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it   wrote: You can disagree or agree but we will see what happens if they come   after your pay check and still makes you pay for your own health   insurance because you don’t qualify for the public option. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On   Behalf Of Phyllis Pruett Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:13 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care Great discussion! I'm voting it the best Waldripfest discussion of   all time.  Michael and Dave, you make a good team.  I'm with you.   Sorry, Chris, I disagree with you. We are all one step away from   health insurance nightmares, in spite of paying our premiums on time   and for years. Phyllis On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM, David Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Great now your tellinge I need a tube or rubber glove shoved up   my          but!  Chris you win!   Screw helth care just take me out   back and show me the buisness end of a shotgun! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:05 PM, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Yes Stacy Daddy was born in 1900, He served in world War 1 and World   War 2. .He was married  once and divorced .His true love Gertrude   Coen refused to marry him because he did not have steady work.She   worked for            Prudential Insurance company and would have   had to quit if she            married. After WW2 George met Doris   and started his family with Georgie (1948 ?) then had six kids   (horny goat) and unfortunately died when he was 62 from colon   cancer .This is why your older relatives are always having strangers   look up their rectums for polyps . In a message dated 9/9/2009 9:45:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it  writes: ... I'm pretty sure your father wasn't born in 1900 if you were born   in '52 and were one of the older kids. That would mean he fathered   Debbie when he was like 60. Most people born in 1900 were dead at 60 On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: What is needed is one pool of people that the rates are _base_d on,   not a individual or company _base_s.  This would allow everyone to buy   insurance and stop the insurance companies from cherry picking its   clients from the very young that do normally have medical issues and   socking the old that have pre existing conditions. Remember you don't have a pre existing condition until you do.  If   you trip in your driveway and fall and break your leg you have a   preexisting condition when you try to change health insurers Why are you complaining about a sticky 900 billion, we spent more   the that on the war in Iraq, we spend more then that bailing out sub   prime mortgages etc. BTW- we are still paying for the war of 1898 and that war ended 2   years before my father was born. . On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it   wrote: Would deregulating the health insurance companies promote better   rates? Allowing the companies to cross state lines without a bunch   of bureaucratic crap might break up the local monopoly. A break up   of a company known as Ma-Bell helped all of us get cheaper phones   and phone calls. Does health care reform need to cost the younger   generation 900 billion dollars for the government to help the people   get health. On another note, Does everybody think the government isn’t going to   have restrictions on their plan? Pre-existing conditions? Sure the g overnment will pick up the tab! Heart disease from eating fast food   your whole life, step right up! Lung cancer from smoking your whole   life, join the club! I think the government will have more restricti ons than any private insurance company. The idea for change will wor k for the              benefit of the people, but I feel we need a b etter plan. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On   Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:12 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care BTW- Old people always have more health problems then young people,   that's why people say 'he died of old age  Did you ever hear of   someone dieing of young age ? On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Did you eve hear of; The FBI, Secret Service, US Marshall Service (police) Yellowstone Park, The Statue of Liberty, Grand Canyon ( national   parks) University of Virginia, Rutgers University, Penn State  (schools) United States Forest Service ( fire fighters) The National Nuclear Waste Facility ( garbage) People in high tax brackets always pay more the the people in the   low tax brackets, only 50 % of the people in the USA pay taxes. Any   yes I agree that people in high tax category subsidize the people in   the low tax catsgory but it's always been this way. That's why I   said we need a notional sales tax at the wholesale level to pay for   health care so everyone who buys anything has to pay. Are you saying you want a flat rate income tax ? Now that's   something we can agree  on. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Chris Mueller < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it   wrote: Maybe the older generation should take better care of themselves.   All of the the things you mentioned below except for Army are local   _base_d services that are directly affected through local taxes. If I   live in Whitehouse Station and pay more taxes should I receive   better health care than my relative that pays less taxes that lives   and works in Newark? The balance is going to be tough for all. From: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] On   Behalf Of Michael Wiedaseck Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:32 PM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: Re: health care Here's the real issue, money, look at how much costs have risen   compared to wages. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Michael Wiedaseck < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: It seems the opponents the public option are put off by the idea   that it is socialized medicine , and that its bad to be socialized . But we have been socialized in so many things why not health care. We have ; Socialized army Socialized schools Socialized police Socialized fire protection Socialized garbage collection Socialized parks The purpose of government is to do collectively what we can not do   for ourselves. In my mind this issue is clear, people can not provide for their own   health care when the rules are written buy huge insurance and   pharmaceutical companies. It way past the time for the government to   do something. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Well said Phyllis , this has been my recent experience as a health   care provider. I have working people ,who know that the are ill who   cannot et an appointment with a health care provider. The current   wait times a the two hospital clinic systems I work with are 7   months for  a medical appointment, and eight for gyn.Look around   your dinner              table, think about your  friends and   relatives all these folks could land up in the same spot. Don't   forget private insurance will in all probability not insure anyone   with a preexisting condition . On  a lighter note. We went to a  concert at   West point yesterday   and saw some spectacular
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