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There is no Zimmerman Note or the sinking of the Lusitana. Woodrow Wilson is pressured by Henry Cabot Lodge to remain neutral as Congress has dominated the Democratic President. What implications would this have had on WWI? There would be no 14 Points or a Wilson proposed League of Nations. As an industrial nation, the US sells armaments to both sides fighting the war in Europe for sheer profit.
 
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There is no Zimmerman Note or the sinking of the Lusitana. Woodrow Wilson is pressured by Henry Cabot Lodge to remain neutral as Congress has dominated the Democratic President. What implications would this have had on WWI? There would be no 14 Points or a Wilson proposed League of Nations. As an industrial nation, the US sells armaments to both sides fighting the war in Europe for sheer profit. Doubtful. We might have ended up not selling to either side or in a war with the Allies. The British mined the north sea early in the war to prevent trade with Germany. In order to trade with both sides, these mines would have to be removed in order for us to ship to Germany.  Otherwise, the US would have to develop an alternate route to trade with Germany.  This might have led to some kind of refusal to trade with the allies since they were refusing to allow neutral trade with Germany.  The only other options are war and accepting a lopsided situation (as happened in this timeline).  If there was no lopsided trade arrangement, there would be no need for German submarine warfare since it was instituted in response to the British blockade and thus no Lusitania. The problem is that Wilson was pro-British and he ignored all kinds of stuff done by them in order to help them against the Germans, so there would have to be a different president.  If Wilson was still president, saner heads would have to prevail.  I don't have the URL right now, but I once found an interesting speech by a US congressman.  He was detailing all of the things the British had done to violate US neutrality during the war and asking why we should be going to war against the Germans but not the English.  Perhaps this congressman would have been more persuasive. Ben Krauskopf
 
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Probably the western front would have been more or less static, per 1917, with the Allies wiping out the Germans outside or Europe.  I surmise the war would have bogged down into a stalemate and long negotiations into the very early 1920's.  Probably by then, without Allied aid to the Whites, Bolshevik Russia would have been seen as a bigger threat by both the Allies and Central Powers, so there would have been some peace put together.  Fewer Central European States, continuity in Germany (no stab in the back , and no Versalles, Hitler, or WWII), while the USA picks up the pieces commercially worldwide. Clinton Spilsbury wrote in message < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it There is no Zimmerman Note or the sinking of the Lusitana. Woodrow Wilson is pressured by Henry Cabot Lodge to remain neutral as Congress has dominated the Democratic President. What implications would this have had on WWI? There would be no 14 Points or a Wilson proposed League of Nations. As an industrial nation, the US sells armaments to both sides fighting the war in Europe for sheer profit.
 
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There is no Zimmerman Note or the sinking of the Lusitana. Woodrow Wilson is pressured by Henry Cabot Lodge to remain neutral as Congress has dominated the Democratic President. What implications would this have had on WWI? There would be no 14 Points or a Wilson proposed League of Nations. As an industrial nation, the US sells armaments to both sides fighting the war in Europe for sheer profit. Something I read a while ago suggested that the defeat of Germany was due to the fact they went on the offensive rather than the defensive.  The theory was that while on defence - manpower losses and logistics etc were very low, but once they broke out and started gaining territory they couldn't handle it logistically and they started to lose large amounts of men so while the Germans looked as they doing well (i.e moving forwards and therefore winning) they were infact destroyig themselves.
 
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well (i.e moving forwards and therefore winning) they were infact destroyig themselves.
 
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Probably the western front would have been more or less static, per 1917, with the Allies wiping out the Germans outside or Europe.  I surmise the war would have bogged down into a stalemate and long negotiations into the very early 1920's.  Probably by then, without Allied aid to the Whites, Bolshevik Russia would have been seen as a bigger threat by both the Allies and Central Powers, so there would have been some peace put together.  Fewer Central European States, continuity in Germany (no stab in the back , and no Versalles, Hitler, or WWII), while the USA picks up the pieces commercially worldwide.         Unlikely the Germans in 1918 had new tactics which they thought could win them the war (these new tactics are why the war became so much more mobile in early 1918) they would still attempt this and likely fail in a similar manner to what happened in OTL as the Americans made no very significant contribution until after the Germans were effectively beaten (even when they did participate it was more as an example of how not to do it than anything actually useful (Pershing failing to listen to Haig's advice cost many Americans their lives)). The American contribution to the hundred days offensive was useful and may have shortened the war by a few months perhaps it ends January 1919 instead of November 1918 but that's about it.
 
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